Theories by forum member WorldisQuiet5256.

Submachine Chair Theory (doubtful)

Submachine Chair Theory
Theory history
Submitted 2013-04-04
Doubtful 2014-04-06

I just had this idea after playing Covert Front 4. Remember when we are in that room similar to the Submachine and after we ask for Karl Von Toten from the Machine then after his image is gone he left behind the Chair he was sitting in? That made me think of something from the Submachine; there are some creature comfort but the most common is the empty Chairs?

I'm wondering when the Submachine for a moment creates a momentary copy of a person that after that copy is gone the chair is left behind. That just makes me wonder is every Chair we see in the Submachine 1-7, The Future Loop Foundation, and SNEE is a count for every one person created.

I remember reading a Theory from SNEE I can't remember who wrote it but he said that Murtaugh was trap somewhere in the world of the Submachine and he activate some old program that makes you the Character you play go through test just so you can set him free. The notes from Submachine 6 came from people who sound like they went through the same situation; and say don't trust his lies? I wounder if every Chair we see in the Submachine Series is a different starting point for the character you played resurrected.

The Black Dossier Theory (debunked)

The Black Dossier Theory
Theory history
Submitted 2014-09-30
Debunked 2016-01-15
Location in Subnet

Okay, first of all, the theory is rather simple, and links to my drawing and my notes in SNEE. The Idea is simple, the Submachine is the 3rd Dimension. Its the singularity collective mass that existed before the Big Bang incident that created the universe.

It would explain why there are only 8 layers of reality. Rather than a multiverse of infinite possible parallel universe. It would also explain the layout of the game itself. As we always seem to move, up, down, left, and right. But never forward or backwards. This would actually be only 2 dimension, but that is where the portals and the layers come in. They create the z axis of the Submachine.

With the idea that the location in the Submachine consent of multiple cultural influence, beside modern influence rather more the religious and Ancient Mythology, being all in the same location. As well as the other mechanism and technology we don't recognizes. If we were to take all of these cultural influence, and say they existed long before they were conceive, it would also explain the point about the other technology we don't understand and seem "Out of this World". Because it actually is. When the universe was create, the cultural influence we don't recognizes or understand linked into not just limited to the Earth, but other planets that have already existing lifeforms.

Moreover, in my note in SNEE, where I say: "Is the Submachine really…nothing at all." Again, when I say "Nothing", I mean it logically. Say if I had two cars and I wanted to compare them to see which one is better, I test them both.

But if the Singular Mass known as the Submachine is the only thing in the face of existence, what can I compare it too? Moreover, when I say "There is not a single atom actually here", It also true, since Atoms don't actually exist before the events of the Big Bang. Only the singular collective Mass that exist before the Big Bang theory.

Moreover, in the description left in the App store Mateusz made for His iSubmachine game, will find these particular highlighted line to be important.

Original description message for iSubmachine game on App Store by Mateusz Skutnik wrote:

What is Submachine? No one really knows. There are some facts gathered over time about the structure that lead to several theories about the nature of the Submachine. First of all, the name stands for "submerged machines" as it is believed it's placed underground. First submachine was built around 1904 - but no one remembers why.

I find this to be a bit of a trick answer. Its not that the first Submachine was built in 1904, but more like the ability to go back in time to visit the actual Submachine was first created in 1904. Since the year itself is as far as we know reference to Earth Calender, we can assume we somehow learned the existence of the Submachine, and proceeded to travel to it.

Lab note (@laboratory) wrote:

At first we thought there was just one submachine.

But then Murtaugh came along, and showed us the truth. His ability to create karma portals between locations let him explore more than one third of the submachine net. That took him 32 years. How foolish were we in those early years.

Using his technology we were able to built our own portals to move between dimensions. Now we set up the laboratory, we have reconnaissance exploration teams...

...for submachines, we go on missions into the net trying to discover new places and parts of this greatest puzzle. Murtaugh said once that there is no 'greatest puzzle', no masterplan, no one is controlling this thing. But we think otherwise. There must be a purpose for all of things. We just have to find it. I thought this was all possible, but since Murtaugh deserted us, I'm not so sure anymore. But we found our purpose, we see it clearly. Do you?...

First of all, how did these people get to the Outer Rim? Cause in the letter from Elizabeth to Murtaugh, she said:

Letter from Liz

Dear Murtaugh.

I understand your desire to build another karma portal within the lighthouse. I urge you not to do this. Once you leave the core no one knows where you'll end up. The outer rim is endless. No one knows what types of mutations of submachines grew out there.

I will take care of Einstein, but remember this. Once you step through that portal - you can never go back. The Core will be forever lost to you.

Seeing this shows that its probably at best rather common knowledge, and unlike Murtaugh, The Others were against his actions. So if he is the only one we know so far that defied their ways, who are these people who Murtaugh met out in the Outer Rim?

Furthermore, is his dispensary.

Layers and Focus

Nobody could predict that the enlightenment would cause such destruction. Even Murtaugh himself didn't know what happened. He was already looking at all layers at once. He was already removed from one-dimensionality.

To be back in only one layer, Murtaugh had to lose his focus. After he focused his mind back on the structure of the plan, his exploration teams didn't understand what happened. Some called it abandonment. Others - rapture. No wonder they panicked.

They did not even have a philosophical device to comprehend the true nature of his disappearance.

I get the feeling, that as part of the ability to travel from the Earth to the Submachine, we had to degrade ourselves back to 1 dimensionality in order to explore the Submachine. Which in turn offer not that much surprise. In today science, we are trying to come up with a way to cryogenic freeze someone for a prolong period of time for space travel. The idea is not so much science fiction, but rather a possibly. Which in turn makes sense.

In order to slow the aging rate of a group of people over a prolong period of time so when they reach their far destination, they are not at a disadvantage to artificial gravity bone density loss, or the usual age rate. So the idea to adapt our existence for the trip from the Earth to the Submachine is not that far off of an idea.

But here is the main reason as to why I believe the Submachine is the 3rd Dimension.

The upcoming Submachine 10, The Exit. The title says it all. The Phrase "Exit" implies we are going to leave to go back where we belong, or so to speak. And back to earth does not seem that far off. Since both Murtaugh and Elizabeth, as well as everyone has been dead this whole time, what more of a reason do we, the Player, have to stay here?

Untitled (debunked)

Theory history
Submitted 2014-12-03
Debunked 2016-01-15
Location in Subnet

(Explaination in the Black Dossier Theory)

All right I have to say it otherwise I will go mad by the fact only I know this.

Is the Submachine really... nothing at all. That everyone created it on Earth trying to Define and create an understanding of the Universe. All the notes in the Subnet, even though 3/4 are not even Mur´s, but they still are in that same existences within the non-existing world. Are all those Ideas, Thoughts, Theories, Scribbles are the Actual Submachine itself. That it just first started out with its location shape by people here on Earth, trying to create an understanding or at least define a faction of the Universe.

But then it because this actual physical structure that even right this second is really nothing in the face of existence in the Universe, not a single Atom is actually here. Then the Loop was the result of people stepping into this Mystery and then trying to define what it is. Start at the Beginning, finish at the End. Start at the Beginning, finish at the End.

Looping and Looping and LOOPING within its construct to which I should not even be able to stand on! How is it that this place can exist and not exist at the same time?

I use to know how; it was so simple.


All those Ideas...

All those Thoughts...

All those Theories...

All those Scribbles...

Is it the Submachine itself?

Then how can it be gone? It could exist and erase itself at the same time. The ultimate balances, the only one at that, left in this mutation that has destroy even itself to the point it is so unrecognizable. Did it really kill itself? Does it have nothing better to do?

It still drive me mad on what these none existing factors contribute to the Ultimate question, 'What is the Submachine?'

Maybe the question that can never be answer because the Submachine really does not exist at all.

Wait...why am I here? Moreover... why did I find this relevant enough to write this down?

"What has happened before will happen again." - Ecclesiastes 1:9-18

9. - What has happened before will happen again. What has been done before will be done again. There is nothing new in the whole world.

10. - 'Look,' they say, 'here is something new!' But no, it has all happened before, long before we were born.

11. - No one remembers what has happened in the past, and no one in days to come will remember what happens between now and then.

12. - I, the Philosopher, have been king over Israel in Jerusalem.

13. - I determined that I would examine and study all the things that are done in this world. God has laid a miserable fate upon us.

14. - I have seen everything done in this world, and I tell you, it is all useless. It is like chasing the wind.

15. - You can't straighten out what is crooked; you can't count things that aren't there.

16. - I told myself, 'I have become a great man, far wiser than anyone who ruled Jerusalem before me. I know what wisdom and knowledge really are.'

17. - I was determined to learn the difference between knowledge and foolishness, wisdom and madness. But I found out that I might as well be chasing the wind.

18. - The wiser you are, the more worries you have; the more you know, the more it hurts.

I´m Lost...

When will the World be Quiet Here?

Where will the World be Quiet Here?

Wait... Is this...the 8th Layer?

Is this... the Grand Exit I heard so much about?

Am I...finally Free?

There is nothing but Light.

Not even a single shred of darkness.

I cannot even find a single shadow hidden in a corner. It´s Beautiful.

Who was it that once told me the truth not so log ago?

... Murtaugh?

No... It was not him.

But...what did he say?

"Light up the Darkness"?

Maybe The World is Quiet Here.

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